Curse

Shandoo Bilari · Jul 19, 2005, 01:55 PM // 13:55

As a perma-monk I disaprove of this thread.
You people who charge money and ask for items are sad sad human beings.
Go away.

Paladin_Adoni · Jul 19, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

^ another dimwit with no self control

Tactical-Dillusions · Jul 19, 2005, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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Originally Posted by Shandoo Bilari

As a perma-monk I disaprove of this thread.
You people who charge money and ask for items are sad sad human beings.
Go away.

You misunderstood.

Person X walks past their loot.
Monk says "Don't you want that?"

Diomedes · Jul 19, 2005, 02:00 PM // 14:00

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^ another dimwit with no self control

Just out of curiosity, has antagonizing and insulting a person /ever/ made them stop posting on a message board in your experience? It sure hasn't in mine, in fact, it usually just creates a bunch /more/ posts.

-Diomedes

Paladin_Adoni · Jul 19, 2005, 02:02 PM // 14:02

well, actually yes. it has for me. but those are less "up-tight" forums.

for me its a habit, and unfortuntely despite the fact I cant do the things I can on my many other regular forums, I cant help myself.

plus it pisses me off to no end when people do that

Darksci · Jul 19, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06

Well i do consider myself a good monk. At first i only created a monk to actually complete this damm game, since my ranger had problems getting into a group during accension (They all asked for monk. i shout out "LFG MISSION" they reply "Are you monk?" I say "Ranger".... No reply), so i thought, screw it ill be a monk - may as well see what its like.

So i create a monk, at first it was boring , then after i got most of the healing spells i actually enjoyed doing a 'combo' of healing spells, and using healing seed on the strongest tank. During the later missions i found it easy to deal with most of the people, figuring out who was the strongest, weakest, who wasn't infused, who not to heal (anyone not infused i didn't heal nor res, sorry i'm not wasting any energy on someone who is more likely to die), also not healing/res anyone that doesn't follow the party leaders orders. So i played the monk, got lots of praise from completing a hard mission, and was doing a damm good job of it lol.

Aniewiel · Jul 19, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06

I agree, Paladin but, frankly, I don't see these forums as particularly uptight. LOL! The mods are pretty darned lenient with the "Smite Post" stick, if you ask me.

Times change. Double posts and flames beware.
-Scaphism

Drakron · Jul 19, 2005, 02:07 PM // 14:07

This is a public forum privated operated and owned.

There is no such thing as having "condictions" on tread replies beyond the ones the forum owners set.

You are not one, you cannot say to us to not or what to post.

Besides this is about how player charge to join a mission, we dont see elementars asking a fee for their spellcasting abilities, or mesmers for their shutdown abilities or rangers for their luring/trap abilities.

If I seen a monk charging for a mission and then later starting a group so it could beat a mission you could be damn sure I would wisper his team about what he done and say I would join if I would get payed since s/he was asking for payment to join in other missions.

Better would be if I found out it was playing another non-monk character were I would inform all monks on his team that he charges as monk character.

Mumblyfish · Jul 19, 2005, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by Darksci

When i started this post, i mentioned that IF YOU were against charging, then theres no need to post here. So i don't need to lisen to a word you say.

I'm not against charging. I said it's despicable. Demanding gold for healing hurts the Monk profession and the "community", if you could call it that, as a whole. But then I couldn't care less about your dabblings with other players, it won't affect me because I like to keep my distance. Being a wonderful person I offered my advice. People aren't the brightest tools in the shed; if you're going to fleece them, fleece them for all that they're worth.

Darksci · Jul 19, 2005, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by Shandoo Bilari

As a perma-monk I disaprove of this thread.
You people who charge money and ask for items are sad sad human beings.
Go away.

As a thread creator, i disapprove of your opinion in this thread.
I clearly stated in the Thread Title: "Monk Charging Service - How much? (If your against charging - Dont come here)"
Anyone who doesn't read a thread title is a sad sad human being.

Paladin_Adoni · Jul 19, 2005, 02:14 PM // 14:14

^ bada bing LOL

thats funny, and I knew that was coming LOL

again like I said, if you a really good monk, asking NICELY for payment when you do a fantastic job will get you a good rep after time. people will start to know that if they pay for you to come along, they wont have to worry about getting some noob idiot loser going off on a tangent and ruining the mission.

but make sure you really know your sh1t first

Diomedes · Jul 19, 2005, 02:15 PM // 14:15

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Well i do consider myself a good monk.

Okay, but I'm just saying that the point of my post is that I, as a consumer, have no way of knowing that you're a good monk. You can tell me that, but bad monks will tell me that they're good monks too. There is no way to prove your skill to your party, hence I would never pay much since I can't know for sure if you're a good monk or a bad monk. That's all I'm saying, it's called something like "imperfect information" or something like that (can't recall).

-Diomedes

MuKen · Jul 19, 2005, 02:15 PM // 14:15

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Originally Posted by Drakron

Besides this is about how player charge to join a mission, we dont see elementars asking a fee for their spellcasting abilities, or mesmers for their shutdown abilities or rangers for their luring/trap abilities.

That because nobody would pay them, they are in greater supply than demand. I wouldn't begrudge them that if they could get away with it, and you should not begrudge monks that collect money for doing a job very few other people want to do. It's called capitalism, and it's what drives our economy.

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If I seen a monk charging for a mission and then later starting a group so it could beat a mission you could be damn sure I would wisper his team about what he done and say I would join if I would get payed since s/he was asking for payment to join in other missions.

That's pretty pathetic, chasing after one guy that annoyed you and bothering his team mates wherever he goes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumblyfish

I'm not against charging. I said it's despicable. Demanding gold for healing hurts the Monk profession and the "community", if you could call it that, as a whole.

How does this make sense? "I'm not against this, I just think it's bad"

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But then I couldn't care less about your dabblings with other players, it won't affect me because I like to keep my distance. Being a wonderful person I offered my advice. People aren't the brightest tools in the shed; if you're going to fleece them, fleece them for all that they're worth.

He's not fleecing them, I think you should look up 'fleece'.

Diomedes · Jul 19, 2005, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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That's all I'm saying, it's called something like "imperfect information" or something like that (can't recall).

It's actually the exact same problem with buying a used car. Unless you're a mechanic or have a mechanic check it out, the car can either be a lemon or a good car. The owner knows, but you don't know.

-Diomedes

Mithie · Jul 19, 2005, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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Originally Posted by Darksci

As a thread creator, i disapprove of your opinion in this thread.
I clearly stated in the Thread Title: "Monk Charging Service - How much? (If your against charging - Dont come here)"
Anyone who doesn't read a thread title is a sad sad human being.

As a thread creator, you've absolutely no rights to demand what people post in your thread, unless you pay the bandwidth fees for the forum. As a thread starter, your sole privledge is to bring up an issue for comments/opinions/debate, and unless the reply was clearly against those rules outlined by the person that pays the bandwidth fees, it is valid, and not you, nor Mr. Snubnose Paladin, can demand otherwise. So to me, you and Mr. Paladin calling people stupid/annoying/sad or whatever such nonsense is really, really, really inappropriate. Just thought I'd clear that up.

Darksci · Jul 19, 2005, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by Diomedes

Okay, but I'm just saying that the point of my post is that I, as a consumer, have no way of knowing that you're a good monk. You can tell me that, but bad monks will tell me that they're good monks too. There is no way to prove your skill to your party, hence I would never pay much since I can't know for sure if you're a good monk or a bad monk. That's all I'm saying, it's called something like "imperfect information" or something like that (can't recall).

-Diomedes

ok thank you, something constructive at last in the thread

Ok so what do i do to help?
As far as i know theres a running thread or something which validates forge runners, nothing of the sort for monks.

So what do i do? Ask for a small upfront fee before entering the mission, then the final payment upon completion?

Or say with the Thunderhead keep mission, ask for payment upon the dragnor cinematic?

Suggestions please!

mrpo · Jul 19, 2005, 02:24 PM // 14:24

My mate, a very good monk, was on a mission with a bunch of muppets who he just couldnt keep alive. He was kicked out and abused back at town. To add insult to injury he was messaged that they now had paid for a "proper" healer.

5 minutes later, they were back in town *begging* him to rejoin and for 2k

Such is life. He told them to bugger off naturally.

Po

MuKen · Jul 19, 2005, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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Originally Posted by Mithie

As a thread creator, you've absolutely no rights to demand what people post in your thread, unless you pay the bandwidth fees for the forum. As a thread starter

No, there's no rule requiring you to show him common courtesy by making your posts align with the intended topic of the thread. Doesn't change the fact that doing otherwise makes you a jerk.

The non-jerk way to discuss your opinions is to start another thread "should monks charge for their services"

Epinephrine · Jul 19, 2005, 02:34 PM // 14:34

It's so true - a good monk is a great thing, but even a good monk can be useless in a bad party. Likewise, a good party doesn't need a good monk quite often - the worst heal spammer can be fine if you are good players.

So what is the market?

You have the guys who are so bad it would take a miracle to get them through. They'll fail even with a good monk, and will badmouth anyone who runs with them. A bad risk.

You have the good players, who don't REALLY need the monk that badly - heck, I completed Sanctum the other day with no monk in the party. They'll never pay, they can do it with Lina and Mhenlo along.

You've got the ones that are bad enough to need a good monk, but will fail with a mediocre monk - That's a job that could pay well - if you get them through you are a good monk, and probably saved them some time, and may deserve the payment you seek: Do these mediocre players have money? Not a ton I'd bet, but you may get some from them. So your target are the mediocre players really, who may have enough to pay, and aren't so bad that you are wasting your time. I don't know how big the market is, but that's the one.

Given that the good players have money, but won't pay you, you've got the decent parties and the bad risks left over. The more bad risk groups you end up with the worse your reputation will get,as they'll say you are horrible even though it is their bad play that is costing the missions. Depending on how good you really are, the proportion of groups that are bad risks will vary.

Getting paid up front would ensure that they don't walk, but if I were paying I'd want to see if it was worth it - I wouldn't want to pay till the end, or at least until after a difficult segment - an area that might have stopped me previously. Getting paid at the end is probably alright with most of the groups that needed a good monk if you are one, but if you are mediocre they might walk, and if you fail the mission you can count on not seeing anything.

Some missions have obvious hard bits where you could ask for your payment, partway along. While I disapprove of the concept, there's my take on it.

Reaper · Jul 19, 2005, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by mrpo

My mate, a very good monk, was on a mission with a bunch of muppets who he just couldnt keep alive.
Po

IMO, this would be the biggest detriment to the monk charging idea. No matter how great the monk is, a group of poor players bent on destroying themselves will die every time. And this is where the situations differs from runners. They don't need to keep anyone else alive, just themselves. Now you could try charging a small fee to enter the mission, with a big payoff near or at completion, but since most of the missions players would pay for would be at least a half hour commitment, and not knowing if the other players were competent or not, I think you would be better off farming.